Getting Proximate to Pain and Holding the Power of Love

In this interview, On Being's Krista Tippett speaks with Lucas Johnson and Rami Nashashibi about the impact of growing up in minority communities, the influence of social change leaders such as Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X, the ideas of justice, love, and more. Lucas Johnson is an ordained minster, writer, and social activist in Amsterdam, who serves as the coordinator for the International Fellowship of Reconciliation. Rami Nashashibi is the Executive Director of the Inner-City Muslim Action Network and a recently awarded MacArthur Fellow.